Frequently Asked Questions
"For events (hikes/ nights away) do explorer aged young leaders count in ratios (do they help/ hinder/ be neutral) I understand the ratio for you risk assessment is up to you but I mean for the TSA official minimum ratios."
" YLs do NOT count in overall ratios for these type of events, they are zero rated. However if they are attending as Exploders then they DO count, minimum 2 adults or none, dependent on activity."
It is not uncommon for Beavers to spend their first night away from a close family member at a Sleepover, let alone CAMPING! So the challenge is: How do Leaders give parents confidence? One answer is to hold a Parent’s Evening. During the fast 15-20 minute meeting I would suggest you cover the following topics:
- - Venue [Location, key features and why the location was chosen]
- - Activities [What exciting things will the Beavers do. How will plans be adopted according to changes in weather]
- - Sleeping arrangements [boys & girls together(?), changing areas)
- - Arrival & Pick-up time / process [Importance of pealing Parents / Carers from sides of Beavers (into their first activity), deal with any paperwork before they leave]
- - Kit List [Everything to be labelled., Beavers should be encouraged to pack, don’t need new items, ask if you don’t have a …..]
- - Experience of the team [No events, Nights, Qualification, Years]
- - Required Help [Gives Parents / Carers the opportunity to see what is going on as there is nothing to hide]
- - Medicine / Allergies [Current prescription in packets, form for does and recording administration, specific allergy issues will be addressed]
- - Bed Wetting [Talk about how mats / pull-up will be discretely used, what happens if someone wets their bed]
- - Risk assessments [Everything considered and mitigated e.g. ….]
- - In-Touch Process [We will always let you know if there is an issue. Please send a text if you need to but accept if everything is OK we may not get a chance to respond]
- - Questions - Beavers [Always first]
- Questions - Parents [No question is too silly]
- - Question previous event Beaver Parents if you have missed anything [They will often address some of the issues raised for you]
- - Final Comments [You will be happy to answer any further questions that come up]
I like to use a menu sheet [List things the Beaver likes and dislikes] to act as an ‘ice breaker’ when parents arrive. Try to avoid agreeing to a specific menu. During the meeting try a little humour e.g Remember to bring your tissues as the Beaver will be too excited to get you one. Hopefully if you have covered all the above items there will be no opportunity for a parent / carer to remain concerned.
If a Parent is still not happy, suggest their Beaver attends the next event. However, peer pressure can on occasions be persuasive. Whilst not all unhappy parents are difficult, it is after all optional for the Beaver to attend. Give it your best shot and you may be surprised at the success rate you have.
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To gain your permit doesn't require you to put on your Super Hero Beaver costume and organise everything. Some leaders may claim that when they qualified for their Nights Away (NA) Permit they had to do everything (at the one camp), but that's not a requirement of the NA Scheme. You are allowed to delegate / outsource activities to other leaders / parents, as long as you can talk to the specific activities and risks that the teams covered e.g. Catering: Menu, allergies, Risks, timings, equipment. As Leader-In-Charge are you bringing everything together which needs to be covered?
Quoting Scout Association regarding a Nights Away permit, "It shows that all those leading nights away events for young people within Scouting have the skills, experience and personal suitability to take young people away safely." To gain a permit you will be assessed in four areas:
1. Technical Competence
2. Knowledge of Scout Association Rules for Nights Away
3. Child Protection
4. Personal Suitability
Use the Assessment Checklist for a Nights Away Permit (AC120990) and think about where your 'prior experience' can be used to support your application. Think about pulling together an evidence file with example documentation, photographs etc. For your assessment camp think about:
- Event Program (Youth and Leader Timetables) inc. wet weather options
- Roles & Responsibilities (Individuals / teams)
- Communication with Adults / Youth
- Youth Involvement
- Beaver Welfare
- Equipment & Food Lists
- Meal Plan(s) and catering arrangements
- Risk Assessments & First Aid arrangements
- Lessons Learnt and Youth Feedback
Do not expect everything at the camp to go perfectly, especially if it's the first time you have been the Leader-in-charge. Being a Super Human is not a permit requirements. Most of the hard work is done on the lead up to the event. Everyone adapts the program as things change e.g. an event over-runs because everyone is having so much fun. For us the key assessment requirement is how you bring everything together e.g. the Glue.
For more details about the NA Permit scheme visit: http://members.scouts.org.uk/nightsawaypermits
Complete 5 OPTIONS & all of the ESSENTIALS section
- [ ] Help put up a tent
- [ ] Build and light a fire
- [ ] Learn how to tie three simple knots
- [ ] Cook over a fire (Eg twists or s’mores)
- [ ] Learn a new campfire song and perform it
- [ ] Set up your bed and sleeping bag
- [ ] Find out how Beavers live in the wild
- [ ] Invite one of the Damboree ASU or Beaver ACC or County Nights Away Advisers to your event
- [ ] Draw picture of the original Beaver uniform and name 3 differences
- [ ] Take part in a brand new adventurous activity with your Colony
ESSENTIALS - Do ALL of these
- Camp outside in tents with your colony for at least one night
- Spell out Damboree in natural materials
- Post pictures, or it didn’t happen, to Facebook using
Complete 5 OPTIONS & all of the ESSENTIALS section.
- [ ] Help to pitch and strike your tent
- [ ] Cook a Backwoods meal with your tent buddies
- [ ] Show you know what things you need to do to look after your campsite and kit
- [ ] Make, name and look after an imaginary camp pet...
- [ ] Build a shelter/bivvy for two, and sleep in it for at least one night of your camp
- [ ] Make a useful Camp Gadget
- [ ] Erect and use a weather stone to give local weather forecast.
- [ ] Make a woggle out of something you have on camp. Could be wood or cord. Using knife skills or knots.
- [ ] Invite one of the Damboree ASU or your ACC Cubs or County Nights Away Advisers to your event
- [ ] Perform a Campfire skit or teach a new song
Essentials - do ALL of these
- [ ] 2 or 3 nights Cubs sleeping outside
- [ ] Spell out Damboree in Camp Items
- [ ] Post pictures, or it didn’t happen, to Facebook using #DamboreeCubs #Cubsintents
Yes. There will be.
Central Yorkshire - NO
Cheshire - NO
CC Approval Thread:
Hampshire - YES
Avon - YES
Bedfordshire - YES
Bucks - YES
Cambridge - YES
Cleveland - YES
Co. Armagh - YES
Cornwall - YES
Cumbria - YES
Derbyshire - YES
Devon - YES
Durham - YES
East Sussex - YES
Essex - YES
Gloucestershire - YES
Greater London (all) - YES
Gwent - YES
Hereford & Worcester - YES
Humberside - YES
Kent - YES
Leicestershire - YES
Lincolnshire - YES
Norfolk - YES
North Manchester - YES
North Yorkshire - YES
Northamptonshire - YES
Northumberland - YES
Oxfordshire - YES
Scotland (yes all of it) - YES
Shropshire - YES
Somerset - YES
Suffolk - YES
Vale of Glamorgan - YES
West Mercia - YES
West Sussex - YES
Wiltshire - YES
Guernsey BC - YES
Staffordshire - YES
Hertfordshire - YES
Berkshire - YES
Montgomeryshire - YES
Mid Glamorgan - YES
To begin the process, the Leader wanting a permit fills out the application form and emails/mails/ gives the form to the Nights Away Advisor.
This will include any and all information regarding the persons background and experience as well as what type of permit they are applying for.
The application is acknowledged by the NAA, who will make contact to discuss the persons experience, knowledge and abilities, and together formulate a plan to work through the assessment.
It is mildly irrelevant as to how much camping they have done, it is about the persons current ability to plan, organise and run a camp in accordance with the Scout Association rules.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE RUN A MINIMUM NUMBER OF CAMPS BEFORE YOU CAN BE ASSESSED.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE YOUR WOOD BADGE BEFORE BEING ISSUED A PERMIT
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR COMPULSORY TRAINING BEFORE BEING ASSESSED. IT IS NOT MANDATORY TO ATTEND MODULE 16 or MODULE 38 BEFORE RUNNING YOUR CAMPS*
However, they are incredibly useful sources of information for Leaders. More information can be found https://members.scouts.org.uk/FS120800
The NAA should then assess the person against the assessment form AC120990 :
The assessment will probably be a minimum of three parts:
- An initial meeting to go through the form and tick off any parts they can;
- a camp,
- then a final meeting.
There may be a practical assessment against some of the equipment. This will be up to the NAA.
Then there will USUALLY be a mutually convenient camp organised for the applicant to demonstrate their ability to actually plan and run an event, although this is under the watchful eye of a current NAP holder, just to ensure no major mishaps.
After this camp, the applicant will prepare the financial paperwork, meet up with the NAA and discuss how the camp went, sort out any minor issues and finalise the application.
The NAA will then recommend a permit on Compass and the DC will then issue once they are satisfied all is in order.
The AC120990 paperwork remains with the applicant to pass to the DC for final sign off, although now the permit is approved through Compass.
The key is open and clear communication both ways.
A: Any leader who has registered on the Damboree, is assessed, and gains a Campsite permit, will be eligible for the special edition badge.
Complete 1 of the below:
- [ ] Mentor another leader through the Permit process
- [ ] Organise a Damboree camping event for your Colony, Pack or Group
- [ ] Take an active role in a larger District or County Damboree Event
- [ ] Be a non-Uniformed or Parent Helper on a Damboree Event
- [ ] Be a Young Leader on a Damboree Event
- [ ] Be a Uniformed Helper on a Damboree Event
Complete 1 of the below:
- [ ] Succeed in achieving your first Campsite Nights Away Permit as part of a Damboree event
- [ ] Answer the Nights Away Advisers call and asses a Beaver or Cub leader for their Campsite Permit as part of your validation
It is not expected that you would get a permit, and become an Nights Away Adviser in the same Damboree cycle.
A: All qualifying events need to follow the appropriate National Scout Body rules.
A: Use the ordering links at the top of the page
A: Yes. For UK members of the Scout Associate POR 10.3 b. States that The County (Regional). A number of County (Regional) Commisioners have already stated they are happy for Youth Members and Leaders to wear.
We'll aim keep a list of relevent permissions, where we're made aware of it on our website
A: No. The aim is to encourage each Colony to provide the opportunity for each Beaver to sleep outside in a tent during 2018. However some Groups are planning to invite Beavers along to Group Camps, and other Districts and Counties (Regions) are considereing inviting Beavers to a larger event.
A: To encourage Beaver Leaders to gain their Campsite Nights Away Permit and to promote the fact Beavers in the UK are allowed to Camp. It is a way to dispel some of the myths surrounding Nights Away.
A: No. This is a Social Medial (Facebook) inspired iterative. However, the Activities Team at Gilwell are aware of the initiative and have given their blessing to go ahead.
A: To qualify for the Damboree all a Beaver Colony needs to do is camp in a tent(s) for at least 1 night during 2018.
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